Zeitgeist II addendum (divx)
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Complete documental uploaded to google video Saturday 04 2008 by Carlos Delgadillo, Guadalajara mexico
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vikingsfreak at 2008-10-05 13:40 CET:
What exactly is wrong with communism? The theories behind it were very sound, socialism is much better, but that is beyond my main point, which is, democracy and capitalism don't work, and won't.
The corporations are in charge. They run everything. Capitalism will only reinforce this. In fact, it is against the law for the corps to do anything but ruin the world at this point. They are legally required to put their stock holders before all else, and once they sucked as much money as they could charge from the American people, the started to take it in the form of taxes, and now are spreading throughout the world, regardless of government in charge. Visit China sometime if you don't believe. Most powerful communist country, chock full of Walmarts and other chains.
Here are a few places to start if you want to know the truth about corporations. Zeitgeist was a great start, but there is a lot out there that no one knows....
http://piratebayproxy.live/torrent/3609923/Eric_Schlosser_-__Fast_Food_Nation
http://piratebayproxy.live/torrent/4386171/Hacking_Democracy%5B2006%5D%5BfluxDC%5D
http://piratebayproxy.live/torrent/3357566/Bushs.Brain.LiMiTED.DVDRip.XViD-ALLiANCE.avi
The corporations are in charge. They run everything. Capitalism will only reinforce this. In fact, it is against the law for the corps to do anything but ruin the world at this point. They are legally required to put their stock holders before all else, and once they sucked as much money as they could charge from the American people, the started to take it in the form of taxes, and now are spreading throughout the world, regardless of government in charge. Visit China sometime if you don't believe. Most powerful communist country, chock full of Walmarts and other chains.
Here are a few places to start if you want to know the truth about corporations. Zeitgeist was a great start, but there is a lot out there that no one knows....
http://piratebayproxy.live/torrent/3609923/Eric_Schlosser_-__Fast_Food_Nation
http://piratebayproxy.live/torrent/4386171/Hacking_Democracy%5B2006%5D%5BfluxDC%5D
http://piratebayproxy.live/torrent/3357566/Bushs.Brain.LiMiTED.DVDRip.XViD-ALLiANCE.avi
did either one of you actually LISTEN to this documentary. Socialism and Ron Paul both operate on a monetary system, and the Venus project is trying to get past ALL monetary systems. The VENUS project IS a new world order, one based on ABUNDANCE.
This movie addressed almost every so called flaw with non-monetary systems, and highlights how technology now allows us to eliminate most scarcity.
Its just like the slipper when wet analogy that d00d draws. Current ways of thinking go like this: you have a road that gets slippery when it is wet. Libertarian solution: do nothing, and rely on people to realize this on their own. Other solution: put up a sign warning people of this.
Here's the Venus solution: use the abundance of resources to FIX the problem, and make the road so that it ISNT slippery when wet!
This movie addressed almost every so called flaw with non-monetary systems, and highlights how technology now allows us to eliminate most scarcity.
Its just like the slipper when wet analogy that d00d draws. Current ways of thinking go like this: you have a road that gets slippery when it is wet. Libertarian solution: do nothing, and rely on people to realize this on their own. Other solution: put up a sign warning people of this.
Here's the Venus solution: use the abundance of resources to FIX the problem, and make the road so that it ISNT slippery when wet!
@Hack,
No, YOU need to read some books. Stop kidding yourself about the marvels of the "true free market"...seriously. There is no such thing. Yes, ideally there would be noone hurt because laws would protect all of those people, and faeries would ensure that politicians were incorruptible and there would certainly be no infinitely wealthy lobbyists (nullifying your argument that laws keep capitalists in check) for the people to compete with.
And I didn't say that there were no parallels- I said that they were irrelevant. Are you seriously going to argue your point with such faulty logic?
I love Ron Paul because he is sincere. Unfortunately, like you, he is trapped in an antiquated paradigm which is impractical, especially when you consider that it was given its chance and has been proven flawed. And yes, it WAS given its chance.
Catastrophic change instigates evolutionary time-warping. Let the bottom drop out of this over-gestated, stagnating experiment so we can pursue true freedom and independence.
No, YOU need to read some books. Stop kidding yourself about the marvels of the "true free market"...seriously. There is no such thing. Yes, ideally there would be noone hurt because laws would protect all of those people, and faeries would ensure that politicians were incorruptible and there would certainly be no infinitely wealthy lobbyists (nullifying your argument that laws keep capitalists in check) for the people to compete with.
And I didn't say that there were no parallels- I said that they were irrelevant. Are you seriously going to argue your point with such faulty logic?
I love Ron Paul because he is sincere. Unfortunately, like you, he is trapped in an antiquated paradigm which is impractical, especially when you consider that it was given its chance and has been proven flawed. And yes, it WAS given its chance.
Catastrophic change instigates evolutionary time-warping. Let the bottom drop out of this over-gestated, stagnating experiment so we can pursue true freedom and independence.
They are not offering THE solution,they are offering a BETTER solution then the current monetary one,so gimme some break about them all being left winged evil minded communists.
Some things are indeed not detailed enough,or not explained in detail,some things do not yet have a solution in their plan,but frankly i would better agree to that then to the current one.And if we reach that plan,then i shall think of a better one if i'm not satisfied.
And just for the record,stop communising every damn thing you think of.Because if we where to cut the thread into pieces,we would realise that cristianity is based mostly on socialistic-communistic ideas.No sistem is perfect,this one is a bit better then the monetary one,that was the message of the movie,i did not see messages as"you must obey what the people from the zeitgeist movie said,if you do not do so,we will all die".They pointed out some issues,offered a possibly better solution,and asked people if they are willing to try out their solution....what the hell is so bad in that?
Some things are indeed not detailed enough,or not explained in detail,some things do not yet have a solution in their plan,but frankly i would better agree to that then to the current one.And if we reach that plan,then i shall think of a better one if i'm not satisfied.
And just for the record,stop communising every damn thing you think of.Because if we where to cut the thread into pieces,we would realise that cristianity is based mostly on socialistic-communistic ideas.No sistem is perfect,this one is a bit better then the monetary one,that was the message of the movie,i did not see messages as"you must obey what the people from the zeitgeist movie said,if you do not do so,we will all die".They pointed out some issues,offered a possibly better solution,and asked people if they are willing to try out their solution....what the hell is so bad in that?
Hack,
The problem you seem to have with the movie is the end message about switching to a resource based economy? Communism has failed in the past because it has never actually been tried in its true form. Just as democracy has never been tried in its true form. any form of government in its pure, theoretical form could turn in to a utopia, unfortunately, with communism the resources are often mis used, and where as everyone is supposed to have an equal amount of everything, the devided share is often very small. Hack, you support the monitary system, however, it is clearly doomed to fail. what zeitgeist is talking about with the venus project is not a short term goal but if it were to become a reality it would mean that everyone born in to this world would have the same opportunity as everyone else. call it communism ... all i know is, as an american, every time i stuff my face for my 2 meals a day, i start to feel like shit because of how many people around the world are starving. If we have the resources to provide these people with at least the basic necessities, why the hell aren't we? Instead we take these people who are barely surviving and arm them up and give them reasons to kill eachother. the world is a war torn shit hole and if we were able to rid the world of petty seperatist ideals, religion, class, race ... perhaps the world could know peace and we could divert the resources ususally used to create means to blow eachother up for means to help our fellow man.
that was kind of a rant and i'm not proof reading it ... so sorry if i come across as a lunitic. haha.
The problem you seem to have with the movie is the end message about switching to a resource based economy? Communism has failed in the past because it has never actually been tried in its true form. Just as democracy has never been tried in its true form. any form of government in its pure, theoretical form could turn in to a utopia, unfortunately, with communism the resources are often mis used, and where as everyone is supposed to have an equal amount of everything, the devided share is often very small. Hack, you support the monitary system, however, it is clearly doomed to fail. what zeitgeist is talking about with the venus project is not a short term goal but if it were to become a reality it would mean that everyone born in to this world would have the same opportunity as everyone else. call it communism ... all i know is, as an american, every time i stuff my face for my 2 meals a day, i start to feel like shit because of how many people around the world are starving. If we have the resources to provide these people with at least the basic necessities, why the hell aren't we? Instead we take these people who are barely surviving and arm them up and give them reasons to kill eachother. the world is a war torn shit hole and if we were able to rid the world of petty seperatist ideals, religion, class, race ... perhaps the world could know peace and we could divert the resources ususally used to create means to blow eachother up for means to help our fellow man.
that was kind of a rant and i'm not proof reading it ... so sorry if i come across as a lunitic. haha.
i will like to see u and Giovanni Guareschi put ur hand into fire 1,2,3,4,5 times and keep going!
Hackfleisch32
Fear less, understand more.
If not for others do it for your own sake!
"steal millions of libertarian minds" -EPIC TROLL
Fear less, understand more.
If not for others do it for your own sake!
"steal millions of libertarian minds" -EPIC TROLL
Hackfleisch32 PROJECT ANALYSED:
-attentionwhore or/and a troll.
*Links to some some Stalin cartoons*
...
REAL GOAL OF THIS USER:
-steal millions of libertarian minds, mostly young idealistic Ron Paul supporters and Zeitgeist watchers and turn them against each other in some really bizarre way that no-one-gets-but-he-still-tries-to-do-it in his own little world that no-one-gets-but-he-still-tries-to-live-it..
-attentionwhore or/and a troll.
*Links to some some Stalin cartoons*
...
REAL GOAL OF THIS USER:
-steal millions of libertarian minds, mostly young idealistic Ron Paul supporters and Zeitgeist watchers and turn them against each other in some really bizarre way that no-one-gets-but-he-still-tries-to-do-it in his own little world that no-one-gets-but-he-still-tries-to-live-it..
I thought the quality would have been better for the size. there is some text on the screen that you cannot read because of all the jaggies.
Comment: this is not socialism as many are warning. no one is required to work for everyone else in this model. People left to do as they do will create what is needed in the world, be it technology, food, clothing, etc. This is the 'emergent' aspect of life that the movie talks about at 1:33:00. There is no more struggle or competition with each other as your needs will be met and the impetus for the desire to 'get ahead' will be gone.
Comment: this is not socialism as many are warning. no one is required to work for everyone else in this model. People left to do as they do will create what is needed in the world, be it technology, food, clothing, etc. This is the 'emergent' aspect of life that the movie talks about at 1:33:00. There is no more struggle or competition with each other as your needs will be met and the impetus for the desire to 'get ahead' will be gone.
CaptOmerta at 2008-10-09 09:33 CET:
Thank you CarlosDM for taking the time to post this info.
Americans. I will refrain from writing in all caps...but :
If you are reading this, and downloading this, you really should also listen to Alex Jones most recent show.
This fellow pirate posts his show each day.
http://piratebayproxy.live/user/chakra71/
Americans. I will refrain from writing in all caps...but :
If you are reading this, and downloading this, you really should also listen to Alex Jones most recent show.
This fellow pirate posts his show each day.
http://piratebayproxy.live/user/chakra71/
Solutions for the II) group of needs, that are almost completely aside technology:
Spiritual development, you can't have an efficient system ("utopia") with a bunch of fearful paboons or with outdated religious institutions that spawn them.
Please watch the film and then whine about it.
Spiritual development, you can't have an efficient system ("utopia") with a bunch of fearful paboons or with outdated religious institutions that spawn them.
Please watch the film and then whine about it.
Most people here are just a great example of how all people should be castrated and left to die in a desert. And I do wish the very worst in life for the lot of you. Because you're nothing but apes, and one day when the apes will no longer be here, guess who the next game is? You're not even redeemable.
"male need for domination over other males"
Ah, but now you are assuming that you actually need it, so I suppose I was right with the castration part - because you're just admitting that you're an animal and as one you should be treated as one and thus not allowed to speak. Either that or you should be sent somewhere to contemplate in every possible way, if you are in control of your needs or if the needs control you. Given a knife I suppose after you've made this great discovery you do what you need to do.
Ah, but now you are assuming that you actually need it, so I suppose I was right with the castration part - because you're just admitting that you're an animal and as one you should be treated as one and thus not allowed to speak. Either that or you should be sent somewhere to contemplate in every possible way, if you are in control of your needs or if the needs control you. Given a knife I suppose after you've made this great discovery you do what you need to do.
WOW Has anyone actually commented on the quality (not if you liked it but if it was good picture/sound quality)? No one cares what you think no one's going to read it. If someone wants a review they'll google it or go on IMDb.
Communism is actually the "elites" preferred method of governing. Its all because of the illusion that are created. You will never take away their money with their own means of control. The only way a Constitutional Republic can survive is with an educated and vigilant populace.
just wanna thank for the download and keep my opinion short: this is to me mostly appealing fiction.
THANX
THANX
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